[Samantha] Oh hey there momma. Welcome to episode nine of She's Not Selfish. Today's episode is all about the fourth trimester and postpartum recovery. For this episode, I'm interviewing Tori Weber. Tori is a wonderful human being, an exceptional teacher and she is a certified birth and postpartum doula. And she specializes in something called ayurvedic nutrition. I know that sounds kind of wild, right? I don't know if you've heard of it before. I had never heard of ayurvedic nutrition prior to meeting Tori. So it's really interesting stuff.  Ayurvedic nutrition has a long rich history of tradition as well as science. There's a lot to learn from Tori in today's episode.

 

I'll just add that this episode is wonderful for anyone who is currently pregnant. Or if you're listening and you've recently had a baby. Absolutely, this is very relevant for you. Or if you know someone who's recently had a baby and you want to be able to support them well, this episode is also relevant for you. 

 

Tori has just a wealth of experience, credentials, knowledge, wisdom all the things. She scratches the surface with us today on this really interesting and relevant topic, specifically nutrition for the fourth trimester. So without further ado let's go to that interview with Tori. Here we go.

Tori, thank you so much for coming on the show today. I am so excited to talk all things fourth trimester with you.

[Tori] Me too. Thank you so much for having me. 

[Samantha] Absolutely. So it's kind of cool and fitting that we're having this conversation because you yourself are quite recently postpartum as well, right?

 

[Tori] That's true, about four months. Plus three years. Double time postpartum.

 

[Samantha] Right. I so appreciate your willingness to come on this podcast while you're with your baby right now, and balancing business. I know all of that is not easy to do, so we appreciate your time and are just so excited to dive in with you. 

 

I'm thinking, Tori, that it might be really fun to provide a little bit of context before we start getting into our conversation about fourth trimester. I'd love to hear from you about some of the experiences or perspective building moments that prompted you to really focus on supporting mothers during their postpartum recovery stage.

 

[Tori] Absolutely. I remember the moment exactly. I had been gifted the book The First 40 Days. Have you read it?

 

[Samantha] I have not, no. 

 

[Tori] It's a beautiful book written by a woman of Chinese heritage. She lives in San Francisco or something. So her name is H E N G  - O U. So I don't know if I'm pronouncing that right but Heng Ou. The book is just gorgeous and it's all about this traditional Chinese culture of postpartum and how they take the first 40 days and really wrap the mother in warmth and love and care. The mother has time to fall in love with her baby and anything else that needs to be taken care of is taken care of by the women, or family and friends in their community. 

 

I was reading this book and it was before I had my first son, a little over three years ago. I just thought this is my calling, I want to do this for everyone. I want to do this for myself, first of all. My mom is very much on board with that, and so I had her come and just take care of me in my postpartum period. Even still, I knew with all of that care I was shocked at what postpartum really was. Because we do all of this preparation for pregnancy and birth and then all of a sudden we're mothers and we've had this big marathon of a birth and left with a child and with no real support or wisdom. So long story short, this book really inspired my entire business.

 

[Samantha] Wow. I'll have to link up that book in the show notes so that the listeners can check it out, and I definitely want to check it out too.

 

[Tori] I was raised on a whole family of home birthers and breastfeeders and growing up naturally. We as women, I've got a lot of women in our family, and we're all very supportive of each other. I know many families don't have. But in so many cultures that's what they do. I knew that I could depend on my family for help, but I didn't know to this extent and with this particular nutrition protocol and eating simple warming foods to help heal the body, that part of it was new for me.

 

[Samantha] Yeah. That's so incredible, Tori, that you're able to take that experience, and that you yourself benefited from that knowledge, and that now you're sharing that with other women who are benefiting from that too. That's a really beautiful circle that that knowledge is taking and that you're pouring it out now for others. That's a special thing for sure. 

 

[Tori] I think so too. 

 

[Samantha] Yes. 

 

[Tori] Thanks.

 

[Samantha] We're going to talk more about the nutrition component in just a little bit, but I want to keep building some context here. I would love for us to discuss what the fourth trimester is and why it's important, specifically for those listening who are like, "What is that?"

 

[Tori] It's similar to what it sounds like. There's three trimesters in pregnancy and the fourth one is the first 40 days of the baby's life, and the mother's first 40 days postpartum. Although postpartum really extends for at least the first year, or as I like to say, forever. 

 

Now in Ayurveda, and within many cultures, it's practiced as a specific time to completely reset your body. So you've just given birth and all of your stores have just been given to this human being that you've created and now you have this opportunity to regain your strength from the ground up. It's really a very sacred time to restore and create a whole new being as you've formed from woman to mother.

 

[Samantha] And Tori, what all is involved? I mean that sounds like a very big and profound process, right? Like re-creating ourselves after birth. So what are the components and the processes that are all involved in that?

 

[Tori] Yeah. It is big and profound but it doesn't have to be. It's really just one little step at a time. No matter if you do this ayurvedic regimen or not you're still going through a transformation. With this ayurvedic protocol, you're really just giving the support that you need to do it gracefully. 

 

So really, in the beginning especially take the first week, depending on the type of birth you had, even if you had this beautiful picture-perfect birth it's still a marathon. Your body is completely exhausted and the things that you need are deep nourishment through warming herbs, things that are easy to digest, such as bone broth. It's literally just nourishing the body and it's not taking a lot of your digestive power so that all of your energy can go into healing.

 

[Samantha] Okay. So this practice is really about the quality of the foods as well as, I keep hearing you say warming, so the temperature of the food is important to it sounds like.

 

[Tori] Temperature, but also the quality of the food. So if you think of a spice like ginger or turmeric, those have this warming fire element to it. Rather than something like cilantro, cucumber, those are all cooling. Think raw foods are cooler in temperature but also in its essence and are more difficult to digest. Whether, if you warmed them with both temperature and with their base. It's kind of a feeling, but every single food has a defining element to it, whether it's fire or water or earth. And you really want to be more grounded and warming during any healing process, rather than cold and moving and intense.

 

[Samantha] So that's interesting, Tori. Do you have a list that you usually look to or that you provide moms with when it comes to like, "These are the ingredients that are ideal during the early postpartum recovery months, and these are the ones that you should try to avoid." How do you navigate that with your moms?

 

[Tori] Yeah, I have a list of the postpartum pantry go-to list. Things that you should really stock your kitchen with. And then I say avoid raw foods. Salads are really not something you should eat in the first couple of weeks postpartum. Even though you think they're healthy, they're still more difficult to digest.

 

[Samantha] That's interesting. Because oftentimes we're like, "Oh, salads are healthy."

 

[Tori] Yeah.

 

[Samantha] I know that where your mind usually goes. But you're saying if the vegetables are cooked it's more optimal?

 

[Tori] Yeah, even a light steaming can break down the vegetable a little bit easier for digestion. Ayurveda is all about it's not what you eat it's what you digest.

 

[Samantha] Okay. Can you explain that a little bit more? 

 

[Tori] Yeah. I mean, we say all the time, "You are what you eat. You are what you eat." If you're not actually digesting the things that you're consuming in your body, you're not benefiting from the nutrition within it. So, I mean, just to take vitamins if you're taking a pill there's a lot of people that just pass vitamins right through in their waist and they're not actually benefiting from anything that's in some of those things. But if you can get something that can break down in the body a little bit easier, and if you concentrate on the gut and healing the gut first, then your digestion works a little bit better. If that makes sense.

 

[Samantha] It does make sense, Tori. I'm curious as to whether our digestion changes after we give birth, or if it's more like we just really want to make sure that we're absorbing key nutrients and that's why we have this emphasis on this type of eating. Does that question make sense?

 

[Tori] Yeah, I know that it did for me particularly because my first birth ended in C-section. Many times in c section they're taking out your intestines and then placing them back in, and it can be a little rough after that. I mean even with a regular birth they recommend taking a laxative, or some magnesium to help with your first stools. It can be a little rough that first couple of weeks, so the easier you can make that process, the easier things will get back to its quote-unquote normal, or even better than normal.

 

[Samantha] Yes. That's what we're going for right? 

 

[Tori] Yeah.

 

[Samantha] So, Tori, with this knowledge about the types of foods that are optimal for a healing body after birth. For women who are pregnant who are looking down the road and they're trying to prepare their freezer and get meals stocked up for when the baby comes. How can they be thinking along these lines as they're prepping freezer meals because there's a lot of blog posts and stuff out there about freezer meals to make and stuff, but it's not necessarily in alignment

with some of these really beneficial tips that you're providing? What are some ideas that you have for women when they're going about that process?

 

[Tori] A lot of soups and stews. They're easy to batch cook and then stick in containers and freeze them. You can even freeze them in individual amounts and then just take them out and warm them. I love having bone broth on hand. I have it ready to go at all times. It's really easy to make, and if you don't want to make it let me know and I'll send you some. It's so beneficial, has so many nutrients and minerals and it's easy for digestion, it supports the intestinal lining. That is the absolute best thing for postpartum. Things like rice are really easy to digest as well, more so than other grains like meat, bread. Everybody loves to bring over lasagna and a big plate of brownies, but that's not exactly the best thing for when you're postpartum. 

 

That being said, if you're not comforted by bone broth, say you're a vegan, that's not something that you're going to want in your diet. It's not going to be comforting to you. If your mother made this special lasagna all your life and that's all you're craving, then listen to your body and eat that lasagna. It's not a time to take things out of your diet. It's a time to put extra nutrition in.

 

[Samantha] Tori, I want to double click on something you said regarding veganism because I've had some clients who have been vegan and then coming through pregnancy and birth they realized later that they are quite depleted on certain key nutrients. I don't want to just highlight vegans necessarily because I think there are a lot of us mothers, regardless of what we're eating in our diets, who experience that to some degree. But with vegan speaking specifically, what do you tend to recommend in your practice, in terms of replenishing key nutrients after birth?

 

[Tori] Yeah. I've come across this a few times and luckily most of these women are letting themselves take a little bit of a break and they'll add things like bone broth or collagen to their diet on top of just their regular diet. I have recently spoken to a vegan who doesn't wish to do that and is instead adding a lot more like chia. Chia isn't necessarily collagen, but it is supple, it's got a protein, so it's prebiotic, things like that. But it's hard. It's really hard to be a vegan or a vegetarian, or even just a standard American diet.

 

We have to open up your senses a little bit and your horizon and let some different things in. Just so that you are feeling your ultimate self. I definitely add a lot of supplements to my diet, such as cod liver oil. You can tell I’m not a vegan. Nettle, so nettle and honey is my business, and for good reason, nettle is incredibly wonderful for the woman in general. It's great for the reproductive system, so it's great before conception, pregnancy, even during labor and postpartum. It can mimic a lot of things that doing placenta remedies would do. Say you're not interested in encapsulating placenta, taking a lot of nettle will benefit you in many similar ways.

 

[Samantha] Okay. And then let's go back to the cod liver oil. What is the benefit of that supplement specifically?

 

[Tori] Cod liver oil has a lot of vitamin A and vitamin D. It's great for brain health. I love it in postpartum because we were talking before about postpartum noodle brain and that can really help. And also if you're a breastfeeding mom, you'll pass that on to your baby and that creates great brain development.

 

[Samantha] Tori, are you aware of the differences between cod liver oil and DHA if women are still supplementing with that after they've given birth?

 

[Tori] You know, I can't talk exactly on it. I just think that anything that is in its purest form and not derived from or taken separately from something, is going to be better for the body. I'm all about whole, real food. So if I can get it from the source, that's where I'm going to go.

 

[Samantha] Sure. Okay. That's an interesting point. I'm also curious, and this leads into this next question. What is your perspective on the differences between drinking bone broth and supplementing with collagen?

 

[Tori] Well, you can add a lot of different things to bone broth. So I like to add to turmeric and garlic and onion and celery, so a lot of vegetables in with the bone broth. Whereas, if you're just taking collagen it's literally just the gelatinous forms of the bone and ligaments. So you're getting only that part of it. It's got a ton of protein and it's so beneficial for the joints and the hair and the skin, but with bone broth, you can get even more minerals and the protein and the hydration.

 

[Samantha] So you can achieve more with bone broth than collagen alone which makes sense.

 

[Tori] Yeah. And sometimes I'll have a cup of bone broth and just add a scoop of collagen in there.

 

[Samantha] Oh nice. Double it up a little bit. 

 

[Tori] Yeah.

 

[Samantha] And then Tori what other, if there's more, what other supplements do you take or recommend to your moms that they consider adding to their diet?

 

[Tori] I definitely like placenta encapsulation. It's great for hormone balance. Ashwagandha is wonderful for the postpartum time, again for hormone balance. 

 

[Samantha] I'm not familiar with that. Is that an herb?

 

[Tori] Ashwagandha is an ayurvedic herb. 

 

[Samantha] Okay.

 

[Tori] So, coming from India. It's wonderful for women's reproduction and just making us feel a little bit more like ourselves. I take it in a tincture form, but you can find it in capsules.

 

[Samantha] Okay.

 

[Tori] If that's easier. 

 

[Tori] You know what I really love is there's a line called Wish Garden, and it's all tinctures that are safe for pregnancy and postpartum, and they're all specific. So they've got one that's called milk right, and that's specific for lactation. Not only adding to quantity but quality. And then they have another one for like sleep deprivation, or anxiety, which tends to stir up in the postpartum time. So those are all really safe and you can find them at a local nutritional store, like Whole Foods or Natural Grocers, or even on Amazon. Thank you, Amazon.

 

[Samantha] Thank you Amazon. What is the name of that company again, Tori?

 

[Tori] Wish Garden. 

 

[Samantha] Wish Garden. Okay. 

 

[Tori] Yeah. They are wonderful. Natural calm is something that I recommend a lot in pregnancy and postpartum. Magnesium can help with anxiety, bowel movements, just calming the nerves and the body. 

 

[Samantha] Yes, love magnesium.

 

[Tori] And then this time of year, adding in things like elderberry, anything to boost the immune system, and then things like turmeric. Anything that can lower inflammation, boost immunity and anything that has any deep nutritional value.

 

[Samantha] Okay. And then, Tori, what is your perspective... So with all these different types of herbs and things that we're talking about, do you exclusively use and recommend organic, or is that kind of a secondary consideration that's not as important?

 

[Tori] I only use organic ingredients. 

 

[Samantha] Okay.

 

[Tori] Especially during this time when you are growing a baby, feeding a baby, trying to restore your own health, I think that the quality of ingredients is very important.

[Samantha] Previously you mentioned how people love to bring over lasagna and brownies to new moms, and all of us have this desire to support the new moms in our lives and we do the best that we can be based on the knowledge that we have. And I'm really interested to hear your perspective on this specifically how we as friends and family, loved ones of new moms can really support them, beyond just what they need nutritionally, but how we can support them during this critical fourth-trimester phase of recovery.

 

[Tori] I tell all of my clients to sit down with their partners, or the people who will be surrounding them in their postpartum time, maybe it's their mother or their mother-in-law, or their sister, but talk about who is going to be doing the things that you are definitely not doing in the first few weeks. Who's going to walk the dog? Who's going to take the older kids to school? Who's going to cook and do the laundry? And write them out on a simple piece of paper and tack it on the fridge and say these are the things that need to be done. So when somebody comes over they can look at that list and say, "Okay, let me just do a load of dishes, or switch the laundry for you."

 

[Samantha] I like that. 

 

[Tori] Yeah. I think that so many people want to help. They just don't know exactly how. And everybody's needs and wants are different. Some people don't want you in their messy laundry room because they're embarrassed. 

 

[Samantha] Totally. I am.

 

[Tori] But I do want somebody to just like bring me a bowl of soup and set it on my bed stand. So I don't have to get up and do that myself.

 

Yes. Sometimes with our spouse, it can be like our spouse obviously hasn't given birth and especially if it's our first time having a baby. This is all very new for not only us but them as well. So what are some tips or some insights that you have, Tori, related to how we can communicate with our spouses about what we're experiencing during that fourth trimester, and how to help them understand better how to support us? I mean the list idea is really a good one. But do you have any more thoughts specifically when it comes to helping our spouses understand and empathize with where we're at and what we're needing?

 

[Tori] I think that the best thing to do is to first start with empathizing with what they're going through. They haven't experienced this nine months of growing a child. They're having their own experience in a different reality. And then the baby comes and they want to help. They want to do something but the baby really only needs the mom, especially if it's only breastfeeding. Having a conversation, having that sit down even if it's just an hour to communicate the things that you are going to want help with can give your partner a base of what to start with. "Oh, I had no idea she wanted to fold the laundry. That's something that I can do." Not to be gender-biased, but men tend to like to do things. 

 

[Samantha] Absolutely.

 

[Tori] And when they don't have a job to do they kind of lost and they might just sit on the couch and wait for you to tell them what to do. 

 

[Samantha] Right. 

 

[Tori] Which is not what you want to do when you're healing. Women, unfortunately, tend to just do it themselves then. Which is again not what you want. So having that conversation and just writing it out on a piece of paper, or tacking it up on the refrigerator. And that list might change once the baby comes. Especially if it's your first baby and you have no idea what to expect. Always be flexible. But at least you've got a starting point. 

 

[Samantha] Yes.

 

[Tori] I also think it's the partner's job to help navigate other visitors and delegate to them what they can and cannot do. Some people love having visitors. And I do welcome visitors, but only if they're going to be helpful. Especially during the first couple of weeks. If they're going to come and stay for 15 - 20 minutes, help out with something, make me a cup of tea, do my dishes, or hold the baby while I take a shower. That's also helpful. If not, then those people can wait a couple of weeks before coming over and visiting. and the partner can be the one that vocalizes that, that's a great job for dad or partner. 

 

[Samantha] Yeah, I like that idea of dad being the gatekeeper for mom and baby and just making sure that they have that space if they need it and want it.

 

[Tori] Yes.

 

[Samantha] I think that's really beneficial. And I really like that reframe too, that you mentioned Tori, of first trying to empathize with our spouse to recognize their experience through this all is very unique from ours and they don't get the benefit of, of course, growing and feeling the baby moving around inside and then giving birth and having this amazing connection with the baby all that, that comes with being a mother. They don't have that, and that can feel like a big gap sometimes. I know that for my husband, he felt that sometimes. 

 

[Tori] Yeah.

 

[Samantha] I really like that advice of stopping and just trying to empathize with them and knowing that they want to help, most often but just don't always know exactly how and maybe feel inadequate from that. So helping them understand how can be really helpful. I think those are good tips. 

 

[Samantha] So Tori, in addition to making that list of things we want help with after baby comes and putting it up on our fridge, what are some other go-to pointers you often give mommas when they're preparing for their fourth trimester?

 

[Tori] Well sleeping. So it's kind of funny because right after birth your adrenaline kicks up into gear. You are so in love with your baby, or just shocked at the whole experience too. You're running on adrenaline for the first few days. Now, this can be a little bit tricky because you can think, "Oh wow, that was great. I actually feel really good. What's everybody talking about?" You start making appointments you go to the doctor, you go to the chiropractor, you go get a massage, which are all things to do, but you can really deplete yourself in those first few days if you don't take them to just purely lie horizontal.

 

We like to say two weeks in the bed, two weeks around the bed, two weeks in the home. That's your first six weeks and then you can start to venture out. It's really hard to do especially if you're someone like me. It's hard for me not to get out. If you must get out, I recommend just taking a very short walk around the block. The sunshine can do wonders for you when you're going stir crazy in the house. But just sleeping as much as possible and when you have people that are doing everything for you and just bringing food to your bedside.

 

Breastfeeding takes a lot of time a lot of energy especially when you're first figuring it out, and or pumping or even bottle feeding with formula you still have to figure all those things out. But sleeping as much as the baby is sleeping. Maybe taking a shower on one of those naps, but newborns sleep a lot. So you should be getting a lot of sleep in those first few days. And if you're not sleeping, lay in bed. Whenever I do a home visit before baby arrives I go into the bedroom and I say, "Okay, is this where you're going to spend most of your time? Where's your TV?" You might want to find a great Netflix show that you can binge on to pass the time. You'll probably find that you're not actually watching that much TV because you are so involved in staring at your baby. But it's nice to have something that will keep you in bed. Maybe that's not being in bed or maybe it's setting up a postpartum laying space in the basement or in the living room, but making that your little sanctuary for the first few weeks.

 

[Samantha] Yes. And women can proactively start to set that up maybe before the baby comes in terms of, "Okay, what is my plan for division of labor once the baby's here so that I can rest and lay in bed as I need to." Right? Because, I mean, specifically with women who have other children, it's a lot easier to say that than accomplish that, isn't it?

 

[Tori] Yeah. Which was something on my postpartum plan is what am I going to do with my three-year-old all day when I want to lay in bed? And deserve the time to bond with this new baby while my three-year-old is also going to want to poke the baby in the face and cuddle with mommy at the same time. So I had a couple of different people, as well as some preschool things lined up to occupy his time so that he had time to get out of the house and get out some energy, and then was able to come home and cuddle up with mom. We had our little basket of books and things to do while we were laying in bed together.

 

[Samantha] Yeah, I love that. So I think that it makes a lot of sense to look ahead and be like, "Okay, so my goal is going to be to rest for these specific weeks. What do I need to get in order now in order to accomplish that? And I'm curious, Tori, we spend a lot of thought often on our birth plan. Do you talk with your clients about creating a quote-unquote postpartum plan? I think you used that phrase at some point. Is that part of what you guys work through as well?

 

[Tori] Yes, most definitely. And that can be as simple as your one page on the refrigerator, or it can be elaborate ten-page this is everything that we need to do and designate it to specific people. But as long as you're having a conversation about it, I know most people are coming home from the hospital and kind of shocked at like, "Oh my gosh, how do we do this?"

 

[Samantha] Absolutely. Yeah.

 

[Tori] Just having some sort of an awareness of what life might be like. I think that everybody knows it's going to be different, but not really planning for it any particular way. But starting with a few ground ideas can help a lot.

 

[Samantha] What is the best way, do you think, to build that awareness for someone who's never gone through this before? Is it working with a postpartum doula? Is it reading books? What do you think?

 

[Tori] I think it's a variety of things and it's different for everyone. Not everyone wants to invite a stranger into their home to take care of them. Some people love that they don't want their mother-in-law in their house. But I think it's finding some sort of community somewhere. Maybe that is one postpartum doula. Maybe it is finding a mom group, a playgroup, a mom and baby yoga center. Maybe it is family members that you already have and gaining from their wisdom. I think there's a lot of strength in asking others for their insight. It doesn't mean I'm going to do what they say but it is bringing their wisdom in. Because everybody has an experience different than my own. And I want to know all of it and then make my own decisions.

 

[Samantha] I just kind of collect that data so that you can use it to make like you said an informed decision for yourself.

 

[Tori] Yeah. And sometimes that's reading a bunch of books, but also sometimes that's really overwhelming. So it just depends on your temperament. Are you a researcher or are you more social and you want to talk with other mothers in person?

 

[Samantha] So Tori, we're nearing the end of our time, unfortunately, but I'm curious, I want to give you the opportunity to share any final thoughts or bits of encouragement that you have for the women who are listening in today.

 

[Tori] Well, I have two things I just wanted to touch on. One is nutrition-wise. Our bodies in the postpartum time crave sweets and that's something to listen to. Sweets are actually tissue builders. And I don't want you to go against that craving, but you should prepare for it. Eating decadent custards made from grass-fed dairy and pastured eggs. Eating avocado chocolate pudding with some extra collagen thrown into it, but not at last minute bingeing on a bag of M&M's or a pint of ice cream that's not going to make you feel good. But if you can get a nutritive sweet into your body, it's really soothing and delicious to your soul and to your body and also helps with breast milk and building your baby.

 

The other thing is that this postpartum can have a negative connotation to it because not many people when they hear the word postpartum they think of postpartum depression, and that's not what it is at all. And it should really be a time of pampering. It's certainly not a vacation. It's hard work and it's a lot of healing but it should be 100 percent self-care for yourself, and for baby. And it's a time to nourish yourself, and the more that you nourish yourself the more that you can nourish others. 

 

So write out your list, stick it on your refrigerator, create a meal train, designate a close friend to share that and organize it so that you are not the one, you've got plenty of other things. Anyone who comes to visit should be also willing to do an activity with your kids, do the dishes, switch the laundry. And then just doing things for yourself, like as simple as taking Epsom baths with your baby. They're full of warmth and bonding and skin to skin. And it also helps to seal a strong bond.

 

I love all of that advice, Tori. What gems you've provided with us. And I want to go back really quick before we end this. I just want to double click on the portion about sweets really quick, because what I find often is that if we don't have a healthy option readily available, if we're in the midst of a craving we will find whatever we can. Even if it's going with the less healthy options. For example, if I don't have that decadent custard available to me I will go with the peanut M&M's that are in the cupboard. So are these types of things that we can pre-make as well?

 

Absolutely. Things like protein balls with peanut butter and chocolate and dates, coconut. 

 

[Samantha] Yum.

 

[Tori] You can just mix all of these ingredients together and you can throw in as many nutritive items like chia seeds or pumpkin seeds, a scoop of collagen. You can add all these things in with all the yummy sweets on top of it, and roll them into little balls and then they're easy, sitting by your bedside table, sitting by your nursing chair, wherever you're setting up, just for a one-handed treat. I love one-handed foods when you're nursing.  

 

[Samantha] Oh my gosh, yes. And also those sound amazing. I want some right now.

 

[Tori] Well, you can order them on my website and I'll ship them right to you. 

 

[Samantha] Fantastic. You know what, I was just going to start to ask you about that, in terms of how people can follow you and learn more about you. And then also if you have blog posts or if you have any recipe books I don't know if you do that sort of thing, but where can people get in touch with you and find some of the resources that you offer?

 

[Tori] Yeah. If you're local to Kansas City or ever passing through, I teach prenatal and mommy baby yoga at Home Holistic in old Overland Park, Kansas. It's a wonderful center for the perinatal time, and really for women in all stages of life. We have all sorts of practitioners that work there, chiropractic, acupuncture counseling, massage therapy and of course yoga. So you can find me there.

 

You can find me on my website. That's nettle and honey dot com. I do ship more of my food items I mix fresh and deliver to your door, so they're not able to ship if you're out of the local area. But you can also find me on Instagram nettle dot honey. And on Facebook, nettle, and honey.

 

I also create tailored, customized recipes for you specifically, so even if you're from out of town you can email me and I will send you specific recipes for you to make, or if you're local I'll come to your kitchen, we can cook together. Or you can put your feet up while I cook for you.

 

[Samantha] All of that sounds amazing. What a great resource you are Tori, and just all the work that you're doing. 

 

[Tori] Well, thank you.

 

[Samantha] It's so wonderful. And I again, appreciate your time so much today. You have shared so many wonderful thoughts with us, so thank you for that.

 

[Tori] Thank you so much for having me. This is wonderful.

 

[Samantha] Absolutely. So go check out Tori, and if you benefited from our conversation today or you found it interesting or helpful don't forget to rate, review and subscribe to the podcast because we have more exciting things to come.

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